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  We're Ashya Kings parents right?

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  do you remember the case?

  jehovers witness parents did a runner without telling the medical staff caring for their seriously ill child and took him to receive proton therapy in praque as this treatment was not available in the u.k.. first most importantly the good news, the boy was declared cancer free last march.. anyway i am sure at the time this issue would have created a lot of heated debate on the forum, as it was a case that created a media frenzy, with the parents and their jehovers witness religious beliefs being heavily critizised .

  however as i followed the case i couldn't help but admire the parents, as i felt they would have acted indepentedly of both the jehovers witness organisation and the u.k medical advice, having in my opinion seriously thought the matter through, and then doing they thought was the best way for treatment.. so if you remember the case my questions are:-.

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  Firstly my sympathy to all posters or lurkers that have had to endure the unimaginable pain of a seriously sick child needing an operation

  I noted when this story first broke public opinion in the U..K was firmly against the King family, now that public opinion seems to have changed. Imagine if today was the anniversary of a child's death, and a person looks back on the decision they made. I therefore feel I can't judge a family decision as I was not there during the decision making process nor do not know how the options were presented to a parent. So assuming parents want the best for the child, how can I judge? But I do no that I would never compromise my own ethical and moral conscience to do what i sincerely thought is best for my child. My only hope is that my decision was rational and I didn't learn to regret my decision. If later I discoverd my decision was based on being fed wrong information I would feel I was a murderer. In fact this is where I believe the G.B has a great deal of blood guilt and has caused terrible suffering to many parents.

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  90 minutes from Wembley ......

  by The Rebel in

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  which ever country you come from, if you are a football fan you know of the f.a cup.

  because the f.a cup is the oldest and most prestigious cup competition in the world.

  or at least that's the way it was when i was a kid.. now this wonderful competition has been cheapened to a non event.

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  Konceptual99 " Iam not sure about the C.L place for the winner"

  The Rebel, your probably correct, as that would then weaken the C.L.

  Anyway the manager explained why he has been fielding weakened sides, he has been resting the players. Geez these are full time professionals, earning in a week what I earn in a year. God forbid these delicate professionals have to earn that money by occasionally playing two games in a week instead of 0ne.

  I should mention I know a few fans who work 50 hours a week, and still never complain about being to tied to attend a game. I should also mention my teams players don't have to worry about playing additional mid-weak European football.

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  90 minutes from Wembley ......

  by The Rebel in

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  which ever country you come from, if you are a football fan you know of the f.a cup.

  because the f.a cup is the oldest and most prestigious cup competition in the world.

  or at least that's the way it was when i was a kid.. now this wonderful competition has been cheapened to a non event.

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  Which ever country you come from, if you are a football fan you know of the f.a cup. Because the F.A cup is the oldest and most prestigious cup competition in the world. Or at least that's the way it was when I was a kid.

  Now this wonderful competition has been cheapened to a non event. Only one reason for that pure financial grreed. What is football coming to when the first goal is maximising revenue, and finishing one place higher in the premier is worth more money therefore more important than winning the F.A cup.

  Anyway I am a Watford supporter, one of a group of teams who won't be challenging for a champions league place, nor are we in danger of relegation. So why is winning the f.a cup not a priority for Watford? Instead we have struggled through to the quarter finals by fielding weakened teams, youngsters and players who are not first team regulars.

  Oh it would be such a magical day for a Watford supporter to be at Wembley in May, the last time we were in the final was in 1984 when we lost to Everton. That was in the days when the f.a cup was still the greatest cup competition n the world. The truth is for many Watford supporters who were there in 88 we have longed to return ever since and it's now been 28 years,

  Anyway for fans of the F.A cup how would you suggest this wonderful competition can become meaningful again? My suggestion is the winners receive a champions league place.

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  We're Ashya Kings parents right?

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you remember the case?

  jehovers witness parents did a runner without telling the medical staff caring for their seriously ill child and took him to receive proton therapy in praque as this treatment was not available in the u.k.. first most importantly the good news, the boy was declared cancer free last march.. anyway i am sure at the time this issue would have created a lot of heated debate on the forum, as it was a case that created a media frenzy, with the parents and their jehovers witness religious beliefs being heavily critizised .

  however as i followed the case i couldn't help but admire the parents, as i felt they would have acted indepentedly of both the jehovers witness organisation and the u.k medical advice, having in my opinion seriously thought the matter through, and then doing they thought was the best way for treatment.. so if you remember the case my questions are:-.

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  Slim you are correct I started this thread because according to the media "proton therapy" is better and more effective than old treatments" But my reason for starting the thread was, not the question of right or wrong, as many things are not black and white but something in between.

  So my reason for starting this thread was could " you" the poster have made the decision these parents did? A decision not based in retrospect that the scientists and national view was wrong, but a decision that an other country and other scientists had a different and better medical view?

  So in my opinion the question of dissent by the parents was not based on a worldview but that a nations medical " care" was more interested in preventing a smear campaign than the interests of the child.

  If what I have said is wrong, why have those investigating committees that challenged the parents not come out and said civil liberties are wrong? that individual rights to a child's medial care are a nations right? Which is in effect saying that a individual patient of a nations medical care does not have the right to accept an alternative countries health care which has different opinions on medical matters?

  I am sure my above comment may deserve a Cofty " Bollocks" in fact my point probably is " Bollicks" because my point is sometimes parents know best.

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  We're Ashya Kings parents right?

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you remember the case?

  jehovers witness parents did a runner without telling the medical staff caring for their seriously ill child and took him to receive proton therapy in praque as this treatment was not available in the u.k.. first most importantly the good news, the boy was declared cancer free last march.. anyway i am sure at the time this issue would have created a lot of heated debate on the forum, as it was a case that created a media frenzy, with the parents and their jehovers witness religious beliefs being heavily critizised .

  however as i followed the case i couldn't help but admire the parents, as i felt they would have acted indepentedly of both the jehovers witness organisation and the u.k medical advice, having in my opinion seriously thought the matter through, and then doing they thought was the best way for treatment.. so if you remember the case my questions are:-.

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  I have not yet had time to evaluate Coftys, Mr Negative and Slims replys, (I will do this tonight ) However in my origional O.P I asked this question :-

  COULD you have done what Ashley's parents did in a similar situation?

  Please note I didn't ask the question " WOULD" you have done what Ashley's parents did in a similar situation. Instead I asked the question " COULD " you have done what Ashley's parents did in a similar situation?

  I would be interested to " Coftys" " Mr Negative" and " Slims " reply on the question " COULD" not " WOULD" you have done what Ashley's parents did?

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  We're Ashya Kings parents right?

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you remember the case?

  jehovers witness parents did a runner without telling the medical staff caring for their seriously ill child and took him to receive proton therapy in praque as this treatment was not available in the u.k.. first most importantly the good news, the boy was declared cancer free last march.. anyway i am sure at the time this issue would have created a lot of heated debate on the forum, as it was a case that created a media frenzy, with the parents and their jehovers witness religious beliefs being heavily critizised .

  however as i followed the case i couldn't help but admire the parents, as i felt they would have acted indepentedly of both the jehovers witness organisation and the u.k medical advice, having in my opinion seriously thought the matter through, and then doing they thought was the best way for treatment.. so if you remember the case my questions are:-.

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  Cofty and Mr Ngative, medically you raise valid points, but I can also empathise with the pain the parents were going through, and I can appreciate they were confronted with complex emotional human feelings and were desperate. All this was going on with the added extra stress of press and media attention. Personally I never doubted the parents humanity, and it was obvious they cared deeply for the child. I am not saying that makes it right, but I am sympathetic.

  Anyway I raised the O.P because a recent study published in the Lanet Oncology journal states that proton beam therapy causes fewer side-effects in child patients than conventional radiotheraphy, and has similar survival rates. So assuming that is the case and such medical care was not available in the U.K, I felt it vindicated them.

  Cofty, Mr Negative when time permits tonight I will read your in depth posts and evaluate the points you kindly raised.

  The Rebel

  P.s Added to say just read your post Slim, thanks for your feedback.
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  We're Ashya Kings parents right?

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you remember the case?

  jehovers witness parents did a runner without telling the medical staff caring for their seriously ill child and took him to receive proton therapy in praque as this treatment was not available in the u.k.. first most importantly the good news, the boy was declared cancer free last march.. anyway i am sure at the time this issue would have created a lot of heated debate on the forum, as it was a case that created a media frenzy, with the parents and their jehovers witness religious beliefs being heavily critizised .

  however as i followed the case i couldn't help but admire the parents, as i felt they would have acted indepentedly of both the jehovers witness organisation and the u.k medical advice, having in my opinion seriously thought the matter through, and then doing they thought was the best way for treatment.. so if you remember the case my questions are:-.

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  Do you remember the case?

  Jehovers Witness Parents did a runner without telling the medical staff caring for their seriously ill child and took him to receive proton therapy in Praque as this treatment was not available in the U.K.

  First most importantly the good news, the boy was declared cancer free last March.

  Anyway i am sure at the time this issue would have created a lot of heated debate on the forum, as it was a case that created a media frenzy, with the parents and their Jehovers Witness religious beliefs being heavily critizised . However as I followed the case I couldn't help but admire the parents, as I felt they would have acted indepentedly of both the Jehovers Witness organisation and the U.K medical advice, having in my opinion seriously thought the matter through, and then doing they thought was the best way for treatment.

  So if you remember the case my questions are:-

  [) do you think Ashya Kings parents were right?

  2) Could you have done what Ashley Kings parents did in a similar situation.

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  Richard Carrier debunks Christianity using Science and History.

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez2kgjk4jo4

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  Slim I love your way of thinking to philosophic questions. If such thoughts didn't require deeper meaning, why would the mind think of them?

  However will the problem of deeper meaning to questions ever be solved? My guess is never, because that would be putting concessions on our individual independent thinking.

  So maybe there is no answer to any question, only deeper meaning, and wonderful minds in hyper space that pose the questions.

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  Red or Green Flags....

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  it seems everybody is doing it, and giving green or red flags.

  and personally what a difference it makes to my " ego" when i get a green flag and feel my opinion is respected.

  my green flags totally convince me what i say is " brilliant.

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  I may be an idiot but being an honest idiot I am sure on this thread I have mistakenly just given a dislike to post I meant to give a like. Am I the only " idiot" that has done this?

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  Red or Green Flags....

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  it seems everybody is doing it, and giving green or red flags.

  and personally what a difference it makes to my " ego" when i get a green flag and feel my opinion is respected.

  my green flags totally convince me what i say is " brilliant.

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  Sabin that was a lovely post and this is for you 👌

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